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Notim  
13 Apr 2011 18:38 | Quote
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natural and or pinch
gshredder2112  
13 Apr 2011 18:40 | Quote
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damn what about artificial?
Notim  
13 Apr 2011 18:43 | Quote
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that happens by it self, thats what makes it hard to explain
gshredder2112  
13 Apr 2011 18:47 | Quote
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dammit yall confusing me know....
gshredder2112  
13 Apr 2011 18:48 | Quote
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*now
nullnaught  
13 Apr 2011 18:49 | Quote
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A bend behind the nut is what jimmy page does in the beggining of the solo heartbreaker.

Notim  
13 Apr 2011 18:51 | Quote
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i'm trying to think of away to explain, its one of those things that ya kinda just know after time
Notim  
13 Apr 2011 18:56 | Quote
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check your private message
gshredder2112  
13 Apr 2011 18:58 | Quote
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a bend ehind the nut is when you hit an open note,harmonic and place your fingers near the string tree,and push down adding tension to the string causese a bending fx.
thatguitarguy  
13 Apr 2011 19:04 | Quote
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Minor
gshredder2112  
13 Apr 2011 19:15 | Quote
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^^^ now ya see,why couldnt all the answers be that simple?
AlexB  
13 Apr 2011 19:16 | Quote
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girls?
gshredder2112  
13 Apr 2011 19:18 | Quote
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why couldnt all the amswers be that simple?
nullnaught  
13 Apr 2011 19:37 | Quote
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Atcvualyy a bend behind the nut can be done at anytime. for example your doing trills with your freting hand. YOu can bend the note with the same hand which is more difficult or you can place a finger between the nut and the tuning thingy and bend it there.
Notim  
13 Apr 2011 19:43 | Quote
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they are just hard to explain in words
JustJeff  
13 Apr 2011 21:11 | Quote
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A key is in minor or major depending on where it's home is... that's basically as simple as you can make it.

I don't know why there was ever a conversation saying otherwise.
RA  
13 Apr 2011 22:54 | Quote
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also "key" doesn't mean "key signature" there two different things. just to clear that up.

Key Signature, is just for musical notation so you don't have to write as many sharps or flats.
Notim  
13 Apr 2011 23:28 | Quote
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its not easy being green
gshredder2112  
13 Apr 2011 23:35 | Quote
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or cheesy..
nullnaught  
14 Apr 2011 02:02 | Quote
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@ justjeff- Or anybody--

what if the home is on the 7th? Or dimninished chord?
DanielM  
14 Apr 2011 03:51 | Quote
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@null A diminished chord is very unstable, and it is very hard to define it as the tonic as it tends to resolve to another more stable chord in the piece.

That said it is possible have it as the tonic you'll just get a very tense unstable piece.

Or you could play with more unstable chords like 13ths etc and resolve down to the diminished chord, Wagner did something similar he would resolve from very unstable chords to less unstable ones avoiding a real cadence or resolution.

I think this is all right but if it's not anyone feel free to correct me.

EDIT: Guitar music usually minor however in general it depends on what I'm writing.
RA  
14 Apr 2011 06:28 | Quote
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@null Daniel basically said it but don't get hung up on the whole minor major thing. It really doesn't apply any more as your figuring out, and it is just a remnant of early common practice where they really did only played in major or minor (minor-major tonality). We now play in many more scales and much has fully become modal or modalish. The key is your tonic center or home, it is only one note and it is where the peace, movement, or phase is resolving. And one technique, just for example, is keeping a key of C but changing the scale each phase/movement.
nullnaught  
14 Apr 2011 07:46 | Quote
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I guess what im ultimately getting at is. If your playing in any minor key you are restriceted to that major key. unless you modelate. for example in the key of a minor there are no sharps and no flats.

RA  
14 Apr 2011 15:44 | Quote
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again "key" doesn't mean "key Signature"

If your in the Key of A your in the Key of A nothing else it is your tonic center. Now if your in the key of A and the scale that is going on is the natural minor(major-minor tonality[thought]) or Aeolian (modal[thought]) then the key Signature is C. The staff is based on the Ionian scale-1,2,3,4,5,6,7 therefore all key signatures are in the relative Ionian scale (if in another scale set the closest fit or some put none[key sig] at all).

The point is, relative to your example, while your righting the dots the Key signature is C (generally, doesn't have to be) but a key of A is the key of A regardless of Signature.


unless your getting hung up on the faulty modal thinking that to play Aeolian just play the Ionian two degrees down. That is wrong, each mode is its on scale there just modes of each other. Do you have trouble establishing keys and bring out each mode--like your always stuck in the same tonal range.
nullnaught  
14 Apr 2011 15:51 | Quote
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I see. key signature means two sharps and yout in D. And key means what now?
RA  
14 Apr 2011 15:52 | Quote
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Key=tonic center

where your potentially resolving or as Jeff said your home
MuseFan  
14 Apr 2011 18:07 | Quote
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Definatlty minor
TheUndying  
14 Apr 2011 23:35 | Quote
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Enharominc Minor - ala Malmsteen.
AlexB  
15 Apr 2011 00:03 | Quote
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Maybe you meant Harmonic Minor?...Enharmonics is a completely different subject

Enharmonic = natural B or Cb,both things are the same thing but with different name

I doubt Yngwie knows what an Enharominc Scale is..
gshredder2112  
15 Apr 2011 00:09 | Quote
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i know all the theory there is to know.
-yngwie maalsteen
AlexB  
15 Apr 2011 00:33 | Quote
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i was reffering that,there is nothing called Enharominc scale.
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