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I don't know if there is an answer to this question or just different opinions. So my qustion is what is the nomal order of songwrighting? Do you just come up with a cord progression then write the lead over that? Another qustion does the lead stay in the same key through the whole song? |
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There is no normal way. People think differently.
About the second question... it would stay in the same key, unless there is a key change with all of the instruments. Most commonly, songs are in one key - so yeah (sort of). |
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Joined: 14 Mar 2008 United States Karma: 3
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I usually write the lyrics, then progression, then the Lead guitar parts (riffs and such), then the bassline.
I also usually follow a "Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Chorus, Solo, Chorus/Verse" formula. |
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Joined: 31 Jul 2007 United States Karma: 3
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What Skold posted is a fairly common structure that most pop (in the broadest sense) songs use. If you see something different, it's probably still fairly close to that structure with a few changes here and there. |
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@CRUNCH
True. However, there are also songs that completely throw out and type of planned structure, and just go with the flow.
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Joined: 14 Feb 2008 United States Lessons: 3 Licks: 2 Karma: 11
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I have really been wanting to wright something just not sure were to start. I have spent alot of time today trying to come up with a good sounding chord progression. I guess I'll stick with that until I get it then go from there. |
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I record the progression. I live with it for a while, maybe play lead over it repeatedly without recording that. Then I'll start the process of the vocal by scatting a melody and I might record that. Once that's done I figure out what I want the subject of the song to be. Then I write the lyric. Then I record the real vocal. Then comes the lead. After that come the harmonies if they're called for and I feel like it. As it might go to one of the two bands I'm in, I transpose it all to a lead sheet, make a demo CD and take it to the band and we work it up. I have been writing lyrics for years, and I do not know how it can be done without the musical foundation first but if that works for you, great. |
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Joined: 18 May 2008 United States Lessons: 2 Licks: 5 Karma: 1
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I basically think, hey I'll write a song, I'll then look through all the riffs I've made and get some that seem to fit the song I'm thinking of, and arrange them into a song, make more riffs and do all this stuff. I then search the internet or go to the Libra y and learn about some random thing, Metaphysics or Nuclear Proliferation and then see how many syllables I can fit in to lines for the Verse, then Start writing lrycs. So Music then Arranging the music and adding more music in, then Lyrics.
Sometimes I make something with lyrics first, either I assign a note to some syllables. And then I just put those note under the syllables with muted note or something else around it, but I don't do this allot since I don't like vocal based songs. |
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I usually seem to go with the rhythms then think of a solo.
I go: Intro, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Verse B, Chorus, Solo, Chorus or Bridge, Chorus, Outro (Or end with the chorus) |
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Joined: 18 May 2008 United States Lessons: 2 Licks: 5 Karma: 1
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You use the same song structure on everything? |
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